[musing] cultures of freedom

Submitted by DevP on Thu, 2007-01-11 11:04.

I was shocked by this report of police misconduct in Atlanta [found via Reason]. The short version is that a non-uniformed cop asked a visiting professsor for ID, and when he didn't comply, prompty tackled him to the ground.

For a charge of jaywalking.

That was dropped.

Poor police conduct isn't new, but here's what gets me: there are plenty of people in this country who will take the cops side. Good people, friends of mine - but people who would argue that you need to respect the cop's authority, and that treatment like that is just par for the course. Complaining about it is - unmanly? Irresponsible? Whining? Suspicious? Something like that.

On the other hand, here's how I see it: my (hypothetically) child who comes to me with a bruise on his forehead. "Dad," he says, "the cops stopped my the middle of the street and demanded that I give my ID. He said he wanted to search my bag because I was walking suspiciously."

Then, I ask her, "What did you do?"

I never want to hear an answer of "I did whatever he ordered, Dad. Like you taught me." I don't want my culture to instill those kinds of values in the next generation.

Ununiformed

#3026 On Thu, 2007 01 11 11:55 LoganFerree said,

What makes this worse is that the guy wasn't in uniform. How the hell are people expected to follow orders from police if they don't even know that they are police?

he was in uniform

#3032 On Thu, 2007 01 11 19:35 adam ricketson said,

The officer was in uniform. The news articles say so, and you can see it in the picture from the arrest scene:

http://hnn.us/articles/33409.html#Day3

I'm pretty sure the officer in question is the second from the left (partially behind another officer). Here's a picture of the officer, positively identified.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/2007/01/09/0110metwalk.html?imw=Y

My bad

#3033 On Thu, 2007 01 11 21:11 LoganFerree said,

Reason's article, which is what I read, seemed to indicate he wasn't in uniform.

ambiguity about the uniform

#3041 On Fri, 2007 01 12 17:22 adam ricketson said,

The professor claims that he didn't recognize the police uniform, describing the cop as a "young gentleman in a bomber jacket". It seems that he had his uniform on (based on the photo and other accounts), but perhaps he was wearing a jacket which obscured some of the more obvious parts of the uniform, or perhaps the jacket was not part of the uniform.

Anyway, I think that a lot of this comes down to the professors ignorance of the local police uniform, and local laws regarding jaywalking.

I'm not saying that the cop behaved appropriately, or that there isn't a problem with the "respect my authority" attitude that cops have...it just isn't a simple case where the cop was blatently out-of-line.

FWIW, I think that police departments officially endorse the "respect my authority" attitude...though I'd like to know if anyone has more info on it.