What Rudy Really Thinks of Freedom

Submitted by LoganFerree on Tue, 2007-03-20 14:57.

On the libertarian Republican mailing list, the liberventionist Eric Dondero challenged the Giulani quote I mentioned previously and claimed it was a hoax. It is not a hoax. A simple use of Lexis Nexis shows that it is a quote by Giuliani dating back to a 1994 forum on civil liberties and crime held by The New York Times. I've e-mailed the libertarian Republican mailing list about this and just posted it at Daily Kos. Please go there and recommend the diary to help it get the attention it deserves. Here's more of what Rudy had to say:

We look upon authority too often and focus over and over again, for 30 or 40 or 50 years, as if there is something wrong with authority. We see only the oppressive side of authority. Maybe it comes out of our history and our background. What we don't see is that freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.

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The solutions are going to be found when we figure out as a society what our families are going to be like in the next century, and how maybe they are going to be different. They are going to have to be just as solid and just as strong in teaching every single youngster their responsibility for citizenship. We're going to find the answer when schools once again train citizens. Schools exist in America and have always existed to train responsible citizens of the United States of America.

Not only does Rudy believe that freedom is slavery, but that the purpose of education is to train obedient citizens. Rudy Giuliani is not a libertarian Republican, he is an authoritarian Republican.

a quick Google search

#3413 On Tue, 2007 03 20 16:29 adam ricketson said,

I was a bit suspicious of that quote myself, but a quick Google search assured me that it was legit. A search for "freedom is about authority" will turn up a couple of interesting results. First, there is a person using that quote to DEFEND Giuliani, which is a pretty good indicator that this is a legitimate quote and not some attempt to smear Giuliani's libertarian credentials. Furthermore, there's one or two contributors to Free Republic who use that quote to emphasize his gun-grabbing credentials.

 Thanks for elaborating on the quote. Out of context, I could have believed that he was simply talking about respecting the rights of others, but in context, we see that he never takes that track. Instead, he focuses on obedience to the elite (or more specifically, the institutions controlled by the elite).