You Gotta Have The Right Equipment For The Job, Beavis

Submitted by W Lane Startin on Tue, 2007-04-24 11:14.

You wouldn't drive a nail with a screwdriver, so why would you promote morality with government?

As we all know, a common complaint the Religious Right has against people like us who dare to oppose their attempts at theocracy is that we're anti-Christian, amoral, irresponsible, etc. Some on the left respond by basically calling them ignorant and stupid. This sort of argument goes nowhere.

I have no problem with religion. I don't even have a problem with fundamentalist religion, per se. In fact I have a strong belief in God myself. I believe churches, synagogues, mosques and other such bodies have a fundamental right to teach what they want to as long as it doesn't harm the rights of those who choose not to associate with them. If the "Bible-believing" churches want to insist that the Bible is literally true (and the King James Version is the only credible one), so be it. If the Roman Catholic Church wants to keep women out of their preisthood, forbid abortions among their members and excommunicate those who break the rules, it's their call.

What I don't believe, however, is that religions have a right to dictate their version of morality in a government setting.

Teaching right from wrong to my two-year-old daughter is fundamentally _MY_ job as a parent, not the government's. I agree with even the most strident fundamentalist in the sense that faith and morality are extremely important subjects for one to learn. However, I strongly disagree with them that obligation by government statute is the way to do it. Forcing morality by law implies that neither I nor anyone else is competent enough to live their lives as good people, that no one is qualified enough to raise their own children, that all of the above is by definition the government's job.

Put simply, legislated morality is a form of socialism, and one that all free people have a moral obligation to oppose. I submit we'd have far fewer issues in this realm if more religious activists actually pursued agendas of morality, responsibility and clean living within their own faiths, which they have a right and in many ways an obligation to do, rather than take the lazy route and try to legislate it.

Although some blatantly revisionist "historians" among the Religious Right would have you believe otherwise, the United States was clearly founded by people with a deep sense of faith, but not by people with the intent of forming a government based on Christian doctrine. Separation of church and state not only protects the general population from oppressive theocracy, but also protects faiths from each other. It is the best way to ensure true religious freedom. It's simple, yet when applied correctly extremely effective. It's a beautiful thing, dare I say divinely inspired?

AMEN: Democracy, not Theocracy

#3695 On Fri, 2007 04 27 00:45 Saij said,

AMEN. I've had a lot of conversations with people I know who are christians, some of them of the far right wing variety, and they often can't help but wish to inject into society, through governmental means, some form or another of their particular doctrines of morality.

This is not unlike the far left. Both sides feel that society is immoral (particularly now, they claim) and want to "fix us" with Government.

Not only are these notions missguided, they are the antithesis of the kind of freedom and justice that our nation was founded on.

"God gave you free will, libertarians let you use it"

#3696 On Fri, 2007 04 27 05:09 adam ricketson said,

Back in college, I was in the libertarian group with a guy who struck me as a hard-core/fundamentlaist/evangelist Christian. He was also an anarchist, and wanted to promote the group with a poster that read "God gave you free will, libertarians let you use it".

There are several anarchistic Christian traditions, including Quakerism. I belive Tolstoy was also a Christian-anarchist. Too bad American Christianity has taken an authoritarian streak. In many ways, the "religious right" seems to just use Christianity as window dressing, and is in fact nothing more than "conservative religion"--fundamentally the same as Cicero's religion. (p.s. Cicero was a Roman pagan, who claimed that if the Romans abandoned their gods, then the gods would abandon them...just as Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell said after 9/11) 

No wing Authoritarians

#3699 On Fri, 2007 04 27 17:41 nonluddite said,

And some Authoritarians are neither right or left. Take Hillary....

The American Civil Liberties Union—Protecting the Bill of Rights…except for Amendments 2, 9, and 10!--nonluddite