Libertarianism & Liberalism

Submitted by FreedomDemocrats on Sun, 2008-03-16 16:08.

Mutualist Kevin Carson has a post on the problems with modern day libertarianism and liberalism at the blog The Art of the Possible, a new blog occupying the common ground between libertarians and liberals.

Carson focuses on the drawbacks of libertarianism and liberalism that are not uncommon to Freedom Democrats readers. Established libertarianism is too much of a defense of the corporate economy as it is, not an attack on the special privileges that remain. An economy that may be "more free" than the old communist system is treated instead as an economy that is "totally free" and any such problems of poverty and inequality are explained away not as failures in the market, but someone else's problems. Poor work ethic, lack of family values, or perhaps genetics. Established liberalism has become too focused on centralization and federalizing for the sake of federalizing. The idea that decentralized approaches may be superior has been reintroduced by Greens on the far left, but is still out of favor with most Democrats it seems. Carson's suggestion:

Libertarianism needs to move back to its radical roots. The elements of the libertarian movement that favor genuinely free markets as a matter of principle, as opposed to defending corporate interests under the guise of phony “free market” rhetoric, need to separate the sheep from the goats.

Liberalism, on the other hand, needs to move away from its managerialist roots (”The body of Leviathan and the head of a social worker,” in Joseph Stromberg’s memorable phrase) and become more genuinely left-wing. It needs to embrace direct democracy, self-management, and decentralism.

Is it fair to say Carson would not particularly enjoy

#6179 On Tue, 2008 03 18 05:28 ka1igu1a said,

Penn & Tellers Bullshit! episode on Wal-Mart...

I think Carson is wrong

#6181 On Tue, 2008 03 18 20:30 John said,

in his corporate view of libertarianism. It's not so...at least nowhere near the magnitude that he usually suggests. And he does it quite a bit.

I think he uncharitably takes stances by pragmatists like Cato as being pro-corporate when they are really just anti-big government. The context that Cato is working within needs to be appreciated. They could be more dogmatic and inflexible like Mises and have no place in the policy debate but they choose to engage policy debates whose present reality is not of their doing.

Vulgar Libertarianism...

#6182 On Tue, 2008 03 18 23:13 ka1igu1a said,

i also didn't completely agree also with the tenor of his argument...Carson typically uses the Adam Smith Institute as his Vulgar Libertarian whipping boy, which I don't dispute. what i do dispute, however, is that the likes of ASI are the first institutions that come to my mind when "Mainstream Libertarianism" is brought up. As a matter of fact, the likes of ASI are at the bottom of my list. if on my list at all.

If we define Vulgar Libertarianism as State Capitalism that enables a framework which allows (typical big) corporations to externalize it's costs on the taxpayer, use the government protect it from competition, and rely on government moral hazard bailouts of malinvestment, then I believe you would be hard-pressed to find many libertarians who would defend that. there's a name for the political creature who does defend that: conservatives.

Vulgar Libertarianism

#6184 On Wed, 2008 03 19 08:21 FreedomDemocrats said,

I've more often encountered vulgar libertarianism from general activists and online types, not exactly from think tanks like Cato.