School Choice Hypocrisy

Submitted by John on Thu, 2008-09-11 13:26.

From Megan McArdle:

Sandra Tsing-Loh is shocked and hurt that Obama sends his daughters to an expensive private school rather than the local public schools.

Said Sandra:

Barack Obama sends his children to private school. As a rabid public school Democrat, I crumpled in despair at the news. ...I do not know why Barack and Michelle Obama cannot send their children to a nice public school in Hyde Park

Continues Megan:

In Obama's defense, the public schools in Chicago are terrible. My parents struggled with the same decision--my father worked for a Democratic city administration at the time, and they had both ideological and political reasons to want me to go to public school. But the catastrophic condition of New York's public schools at the time was too much for them, and at considerable personal sacrifice they ended up putting me in private school.

What is intolerable to me is when parents who have exercised school choice for themselves then oppose it for everyone else. Of course, Obama has little choice; the teacher's unions have far too firm a grip on the Democratic party for any of their politicians to buck its wishes.

I agree with Megan. regardless of the issue, this is trait of liberals that simply irks me. And it also irks me that it doesn't irk more liberals.

As a libertarian, the problem here is screaming out at me and it's two-fold:

1. Well-do-to liberals are hypocrites when they, while claiming to champion the disadvantaged, do things that go against what they preach politically because...well...let's just say it: They are self-interested human beings who care about their family and, thus, lofty-sounding goals and stances on some issues fall flat in their real world. The Obama's want the best the for their kids...like any other parents. And they have the means to do something about it. Yet, in public life, they frown on ideas that offer others the same choice because they feel they have to stand up for schools that they would never send their kids to. Like I said: hypocrites. IOW, they seem to support choice in real life and implicitly in public policy...but ONLY if parents have the means to make this choice with no help (like the Obamas). Score one for the upper-middle class. I wonder if such stances secretly help win the votes of suburban liberals who don't want "THEM" dragging down their schools. After all, they paid good money to be in a geographical zone that allows their kids to go to good schools with other kids like them.

2. The other problem is with liberals like Sandra who think others should conform to their ideals that run counter to individual choice and common sense self interest...lest they be the "bad guy". And why would Obama be the bad guy? Because he doesn't actively support through his own private actions a goal that Sandra feels matters more. IOW, Sandra would have people do things her way in support of helping bad schools that caring parents of means would never subject their own kids to. Sandra is therefore implicitly saying that Obama and other liberals should take one for the team and hurt their own children...something most parents won't do when they have options. This all runs counter to the ideals of free country.

But both expose a I mentioned in a previous diary and this school choice example is a perfect example of what I meant when I said:

The strand of Democrats that I find particularly depressing, dim and unwittingly masochistic is what is called the "Social Democrat"...or more precisely...what I call the National-(istic) Communitarian Social-(istic) Democrat. It is a group full of contradiction and..strangely enough...rife with illiberalism that rivals the likes of Tom Tancredo and Duncan Hunter. It is, at the same time, a caricature and a very real wing of the party. It is an ideological basket case that wants what the frightening fruition of its vision could never deliver and hates what its vision inadvertently and indirectly does deliver...while never realizing its role in the worst of the reality it despises. It is a desire for control that wreaks uncontrollable havoc which then begets more desire for control and continued havoc like a dog chasing its own tail. It desires an inclusion that causes and demands a want for exclusion. It wants the benefits that come from the antithesis of what it wants while claiming them as their own creations...all while seeking to destroy that very antithesis in the name of yet other values that are not borne from what it seeks. In short, its murky and compromised sense of true liberalism, of any kind, has a very, very low threshold...after which point it's extremely illiberal in an effort to keep what it has unsustainably gained and fend off the side-effects of what it has unwittingly wrought.

Obama's and Sandra's problem is one of ignoring what people really want for themselves and their families. Obama is being like the TV Evangelist in Phil Collins' song that says "Do what I say, Don't do what I do" and Sandra is being like the Communists at the Berlin Wall who wanted to stop people from escaping to the freedom of the West because it hurt the failing program that required the commitment and obedience that free-loving people are not willing to sacrifice their family and lives for when push comes to shove.

A libertarian-sensible Democrat would dump the shackles of this hypocrisy and truly stand up for the disadvantaged by giving everyone the best chance to succeed withpout hurting others freedom of choice. And if their failing public school system can't handle what it helped to create then the evidence should push them to new ideas to break up and shake the disgustingly inadequate urban school system they feel compelled to stick up for...to the detriment of everyone.

Point well taken

#6746 On Thu, 2008 09 11 14:15 W Lane Startin said,

However, how would one implement that? From a purely practical standpoint it wouldn't make sense to do so at the federal level. Schools in Chicago and schools in parts of rural Idaho may both have reputations for being substandard, but for very different reasons. Available alternatives are not uniform, either. Sometimes there isn't an alternative at all.

If we're talking vouchers, do we extend them to secular private and charter schools (which I don't have a problem with), or to parochial schools too (which I'm very wary of)? What happens when the private schools in a given locality are full but demand remains? Do the public schools get shortchanged further at the expense of the vouchers already out there while those kids who didn't make the cut are basically told, "you snooze, you lose"?

I wholeheartedly agree public schools shouldn't be unquestionably held to be the end-all-be-all, and that kids should have reasonable and equitable access to superior private schools if they're available, but nevertheless the need for public schools remain.

This is why I favor "Education Vouchers."

#6751 On Thu, 2008 09 11 17:49 Paige_Michael-S... said,

Broadening the policy proposal to "Education Vouchers" makes more sense. Education vouchers would be available not only for private and charter school tuition, but for things like education savings accounts, the cost of private tutors, and homeschooling. This gives parents more freedom of choice and to decide how their children's needs will best be met.

Ideally, I would like to see a system in which all schools are privatized, but public funding granting children access to schools is available.

"What is intolerable to me

#6747 On Thu, 2008 09 11 14:17 neuralnoise said,

"What is intolerable to me is when parents who have exercised school choice for themselves then oppose it for everyone else."

Horseshit. When parents "excercise school choice for themselves" they do so on their own dime, over and above whatever taxes they pay to fund public schooling, which is not rebated to them.

If one wants to abolish public schools, fine, that's a separate discussion, but pretending Obama has somehow taken advantage of something forbidden to others is bullshit. "Everyone Else" has exactly the same right to pay for private schools over and above what they contribute to the public school system that Obama does.

Agreed.

#6754 On Thu, 2008 09 11 20:09 Paige_Michael-S... said,

While I have many problems with Barack Obama and his position, claiming that he's not for "school choice for others" just because he opposes school vouchers while sending his kids to private school isn't all that logically coherent of a statement, and it's a terrible line of attack.

RE: School Choice Hypocrisy

#6752 On Thu, 2008 09 11 18:33 SOCIAL LIBERTARIAN said,

I don't see any issues here. Maybe I am missing something though as the blog was hard to follow. Obama supports public schools and public education. However, he CHOOSES to send his children to private schools. He and his wife worked hard to get where they are financially. They have the financial means to send them to private schools. I say, good for them.