Paul Endorses Theocon Baldwin...

Submitted by ka1igu1a on Tue, 2008-09-23 01:02.

We've discussed "good" and "bad" Paul ad nauseam on this site, and I suppose it was just a matter of time before the "bad Paul" reared itself again. Paul's inexplicable endorsement of a xenophobe formerly involved in the Moral Majority running on party platform that doesn't pass the smell test when it comes to theocracy boggles the mind. With Paul, it always seems to be 2 steps forward, one step back; or maybe it's one step forward, two steps back.

Personally, I'm losing patience with this continued conflation of libertarianism with social conservatism and xenophobia. A theocrat who disdains central banking nonetheless is still a theocrat. Indeed most theocrats have the common sense that a fractional reserve central bank is essential for funding the police state necessary to enforce zero foreign trade, zero immigration, and ridding the State of undesirables such as unbelievers, hookers, gamblers, metalheads, pot smokers, internet porn consumers, and the like. The theocrat agenda would lose steam quickly if it actually had to be funded from direct taxation. Indeed, that's why honest theocrats will stick with MCain/Palin, wherein at least part of their agenda has a hope of being enacted. In contrast, the likes of Chuck Baldwin are crackpots. Crack-pottery can be nicely characterized by an absurdly inconsistent ideology tied around book sales and talk radio broadcasts(the latter spurring the former). Libertarianism and/or Libertarian Justice Theory is not a crackpot idea, but when right wingers mangle it, it can quickly devolve into such. Let's see, you want to get rid of the Fed and the IRS, but you advocate somehow supernaturally funding a standing army to guard the borders and a central government powerful enough to enforce biblical morality. It's LOL crackpot nonsense.

There is a powerful Austrian critique of the current financial meltdown, but the Austrian School's continued dalliance with the crackpot right, xenophobia, and social conservatism discredits the critique. You are no going to win many converts by endorsing the point of view that the meltdown is a consequence of "God's judgement" for the sins of abortion, homosexuality, multiculturalism, and taking "heaven" out of the classroom. Indeed it is a valid criticism that there is an intentional torpedoing of the message for the sake of mailing lists. Sorry, anyone who endorses crackpots like Chuck Baldwin cannot be taken seriously when it comes to resolving the current financial mess from a libertarian point of view. Period.

There is speculation that the Paul endorsement of Baldwin was mere tit-for-tat for Barr dissing the Paul Press Conference. No doubt, it was a shot across the bow that crackpot Austrianism has more currency in the "libertarian movement" than the faux libertarianism of "true conservatism." Barr is really no libertarian, and certainly no Austrian, and it was egregious mistake for him to challenge Paul as a unifying figure of the libertarian movement. Nevertheless the Barr campaign's argument that Paul's Campaign for Liberty was more about securing mailing lists and less about actual political reform is not an entirely invalid argument. Frankly, that same skepticism has been posted here at Freedom Democrats previously. And Paul's endorsement of the likes of a crackpot like Baldwin only reinforces the validity of that view.

However, it should be pointed out that the Barr campaign in terms of any relevance was toast before "snubgate." Any significant showing by Barr was always predicated on voter disgust with high gas prices, but both Obama and McCain ended up significantly shifting when it came to domestic drilling. And McCain's selection of Palin more or less deflated any last chance of capturing any statistically percentage of the disgruntled conservative vote by Barr. Barr was left more or less with the traditional libertarian vote and such a constituency, based on fund raising totals, was not exactly enamored with Barr from the get go. Barr was already on pace to raise less funds than Badnarik and end up on less ballots than Badnarik. Barr's "earned media" mattered little when it came to libertarian activism, in fact, his earned media tended to impede libertarian activism, and such "earned media" translated only to 2% in polls and it was an open question if that percentage would hold up on election day even before "snubgate." In short, "snubgate" matters little in Barr's likely abysmal showing. In fact, post 2008, for the LNC to retain any fundraising relevance is likely going to necessitate some housecleaning in 2010, with a more radical tilt. Then again, just what is the relevancy of the LNC when it comes to the libertarian movement. Not much. In fact, the LNC probably symbolically represents the most persuasive argument against any libertarian involvement in the political process at all.

In short, 2008 as the year of the libertarian has degenerated into a sorry joke from a political perspective...

Some signs of hope...

#6776 On Tue, 2008 09 23 21:00 Nathaniel said,

Perhaps the whole Ron Paul Revolution is dead, but I think there is still hope for a more liberty-minded Democratic Party. I do not think Ron Paul and his ideas are going to be taking over the Republican Party anytime soon, nor do I think that the Constitution Party will receive many more votes because of this endorsement. Hopefully, sensible Democrats (like Russ Feingold) will highlight that Democrats can support BOTH civil liberties and balanced budgets. We do not all support the Patriot Act, imperial foreign policy, or insanely bloated Wall Street bailouts. Ron Paul showed that the message of freedom can attract Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, Greens, and others to a political campaign. Hopefully the next candidate to do that will be a Democrat.

I strongly disagree with Dr. Paul's decision.

#6777 On Tue, 2008 09 23 22:21 Paige_Michael-S... said,

I'm a major league Paul supporter, but I simply can't support Chuck Baldwin.

However, reading his written statement (http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog/?p=582), it's pretty clear why he made it:

"Many practical benefits can come from this unique alliance. Our cause is liberty & freedom is popular and is the banner that brings people together. Since authoritarianism divides, we always have the edge in an intellectual fight. Once it's realized that the humanitarian goals of peace and prosperity are best achieved with our views, I'm convinced we win by working with others. Those who don't want to collaborate are insecure with their own beliefs."

"This unique press conference, despite the surprising, late complication from the Libertarian Party Presidential Candidate, hopefully will prove to be historically significant."

"Obviously the press conference could have been even more successful without the last-minute change of heart by the Libertarian Party candidate by not participating. He stated that his support for the four points remains firm. His real reason for not coming, nor letting me know until forty minutes before the press conference started, is unknown to me. To say the least, I was shocked and disappointed."

"Yet in the long run, this last-minute change in plans will prove to be of little importance. I'm convinced that problems like this always seem bigger at the moment, yet things usually work out in the end. Recovering from the mistakes and shortcomings of all that we do in this effort is not difficult if the message is right and our efforts are determined. And I'm convinced they are. That's what will determine our long-term success, not the shortcomings of any one person."

"The Libertarian Party Candidate admonished me for 'remaining neutral' in the presidential race and not stating whom I will vote for in November."

"I've thought about the unsolicited advice from the Libertarian Party candidate, and he has convinced me to reject my neutral stance in the November election. I'm supporting Chuck Baldwin, the Constitution Party candidate."

The message here is simple: Bob Barr is an "insecure" douchebag with "shortcomings," so I'm voting for my friend Chuck Baldwin.

Furthermore, ka1, you should take another look at Ron's written statement. It may salve some concerns you may have about the conflation of libertarianism with social conservatism. Here are some excerpts:

"This does not mean that I expect to get Ralph Nader or Cynthia McKinney to become libertarians, nor do they expect me to change my mind on the issues on which we disagree."

If Dr. Paul doesn't consider himself to be a libertarian, then why would he make a statement like this in relation to himself, Nader, and McKinney? He could easily have said "I don't expect to get Ralph Nader and Cynthia McKinney to become conservatives."

Furthermore,

"I remain a lifetime member of the Libertarian Party and I'm a ten-term Republican Congressman."

"I have attended Libertarian Party conventions frequently over the years."

He goes to significant lengths to underscore his ongoing association with the Libertarian Party. The message here is simple: I'm a libertarian, and my endorsement of Baldwin is not an endorsement of the Constitution Party's platform.

Finally, there's a line that the folks here at Freedom Democrats could appreciate:

"The point is, new devotees to the freedom philosophy are more likely to come from the left than from those conservatives who have been convinced that God has instructed us to militarize the Middle East."

His signal is clear: libertarians should be very good friends with progressives. Indeed, most of the opening few paragraphs discuss the alliance with the left. I know with B.J.'s campaign in the 4th District, it has been a lot easier to connect with progressive voters with whom we share much common ground than it has been with many neoconservatives and social conservatives.

Who else could you vote for?

#6779 On Wed, 2008 09 24 21:48 Prachar said,

Baldwin is far from an ideal candidate. When I first became aware of the Constitution Party in 1996, I quickly realized that the Libertarian Party had a more Constitutional platform than they did. But, with the other current choices of McBama or O'Cain, who else could you vote for?

If write-ins are counted in your state, I suppose you could write in Paul.

I'm voting for Barr.

#6788 On Fri, 2008 09 26 22:12 Paige_Michael-S... said,

I don't support Baldwin at all.

My enthusiasm for Barr has waned severely. But I will vote for him in November because if he gets 2% of the vote in North Carolina, the LP will be on the ballot automatically in 2010 and 2012. This means the world, as the Party won't have to spend $250,000 on petition drives and legal challenges and instead can spend on Party-building.

One could say Ron Paul sold his soul to the Buchanan Brigades

#6780 On Thu, 2008 09 25 01:02 W Lane Startin said,

But I wouldn't, since I've contended for some time that Paul's soul has been with them all along. Throw another log on this fire, y'all ...