The Revolution is dead. Long live the Revolution!

Submitted by W Lane Startin on Thu, 2008-09-25 11:46.

Before I say anything else, let me say that ka1igu1a's recent blog on the Paul endorsement of Baldwin is spot on. Go read it and come back.

His summary, "2008 as the year of the libertarian has degenerated into a sorry joke from a political perspective," is sadly correct. Even so, there's no need to despair. Libertarians in general - and libertarian Democrats in particular - now have a perfect opportunity to regroup and redefine who we are. We just need to set a few guidelines for ourselves.

I hate to say I told you so, but Ron Paul's endorsement of Chuck Baldwin is just another step toward that movement's steady metamorphosis into yet another lame retread of the Buchanan Brigades. If that's what the die-hard Paul apologists want, so be it. I'm perfectly fine with letting them go down that road to ruin. I for one refuse to.

Given the fact Paul is becoming increasingly irrelevant, and that he's utter anathema to most Democrats anyway, our legacy as libertarian Democrats lies elsewhere. It should go without saying that Democrats aren't going to be terribly receptive to people in their party singing the praises of folks like Paul and Bob Barr. There's a very good reason why. Building coalitions with others is critical to our overall success, and it needs to start somewhere. Instead we should be invoking names like Proxmire, Schweitzer, Feingold and Richardson. That's a "revolution" we as libertarian Democrats can embrace and other Democrats can accept.

Stop confusing strict interpretation of the Constitution with libertarianism. While one can naturally lead to the other, they're not synonymous concepts. Crying for freedom and liberty at the federal level - but at the same time taking the attitude that the states are free to moralize and tyrannize at will - may be Constitutionally correct (well, maybe), but it's exceedingly dishonest from a libertarian standpoint.

Let's be crystal clear on this point: there's nothing wrong with being a strict constructionist, but if you're not also advocating both civil and fiscal liberties on ALL levels of government, you're not doing anyone any favors.

The Libertarian Party will probably survive the Barr campaign in some form, but it'll never be relevant in the grand scheme of things. The culture of incompetence, infighting and self-defeatism in the national LP has become so pervasive that nothing short of starting over with new leaders and new candidates will rescue it from its inconsequential fate. At this point I think it would actually be easier to start a new party from scratch. It would be easier still to organize a faction in the major parties; one doesn't have to worry about issues like ballot access doing that.

Should we do it with the Republicans? The same party responsible first for not paying attention to public trust issues government can play a role in, and then reacted by effectively nationalizing three financial services companies in the space of 10 days, with perhaps many more to follow? I don't think so. Sure, there are obstacles within the Democratic Party as well, but nothing like that.

Enough theory. Let's win some elections. Our underlying political philosophy should be quite simple. The German Free Democrats say, "as much government as necessary, as little government as possible." That pretty much sums it up for me.

Instead, many libertarians are prone to bombard us with topics like Hayek, Rockwell, Rothbard, anarcho-capitalism, Objectivism, paleolibertarianism, etc. ad infinitum. Scholarly political and economic theory is absolutely necessary to the long-term health of the political process, but at a certain point immersing oneself in theory becomes tantamount to pointless and counterproductive wheel-spinning. Many, many libertarians crossed this crucial threshold a LONG time ago.

Some libertarians spout this stuff with a zeal that would make the most ardent Cultural Revolution-era Red Guard blush. Except that they don't have a little book (red or otherwise). They have a whole freakin' library. Do they have any idea how annoying, ineffective and - yes - pathetic they are? Many, many people are sympathetic to libertarian ideals, but couldn't care less about the Mises Institute and frankly never will. The consistent single-digit election performances of the LP, as well as the general lack of direction of libertarian factions among both Democrats and Republicans, should have clued folks into this by now. Enough already.

This is not to say the philosophies of the Austrian economists and others are useless in the political process. They have their place, and they do make a positive contribution overall. We just need to operate in the real world around here.

Indeed, that's perhaps our greatest challenge: reconciling libertarianism with Realpolitik. Surely we libertarian Democrats can do that better than what we've seen recently. I think it would be difficult not to.

I agree!

#6783 On Thu, 2008 09 25 22:14 Nathaniel said,

I appreciate your very enthusiastic view of what libertarian Democrats can offer the country at this time. (I also like your nod to Senator William Proxmire!)

Chuck Baldwin is not concerned with religious liberty. Ron Paul should not support someone who espouses a view that is so contrary to our Constitution and the ideals of our founders. Early Americans knew a good deal about religious strife and the problem with excessive government entanglement with religion. That's why all the early states eventually dropped their official religions and had strong statements advocating freedom of religion in their Constitutions. Sure, I agree with Chuck Baldwin on some issues, but I just can't get past the whole idea of making America more "Christian."

As I write this, I am watching the news of House Republicans refusing to participate in the Wall Street bailout negotiations. Instead, I wish a group of liberty-minded Democrats were refusing to cooperate with such a deal and dressing down the Bush Administration for their attempt to make disastrous, excessive fiscal choices not subject to judicial review.

* clap * clap * clap *

#6785 On Fri, 2008 09 26 09:00 neuralnoise said,

Well said.

Broadside for the libertarian Democrat

#6786 On Fri, 2008 09 26 15:14 Don the liberta... said,

Bravo! You've produced a broadside for our movement. It's a keeper, and I'll try to keep referring to it on my blog. Take care, Don

Lane, did you even read Paul's letter...

#6787 On Fri, 2008 09 26 22:09 Paige_Michael-S... said,

In which he endorsed Baldwin?

In case you didn't, here it is:

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog/?p=582

You may actually want to give that letter a read and put aside whatever personal feelings you have about Paul. I see a lot of wisdom in it.

I won't go to the length to cite exact excerpts from this to support my points; I already did this in ka1's thread. If you actually read the thing, you'll find four very stark and clear points:

1) Ron Paul makes clear the fact that he considers himself a LIBERTARIAN, and that he has a long-standing association with the Libertarian Party to this day that includes Party Membership;

2) Ron Paul makes NO reference to association with the Constitution Party (only members of it who are his friends) or

3) Ron Paul makes very clear that his reasons for endorsing Chuck Baldwin are a) disillusionment with the "Libertarian Party Presidential candidate" (aka Bob Barr), and b) his personal friendship with Chuck Baldwin, who (like it or not) worked very hard to support his Presidential campaign;

4) Ron Paul spends a significant amount of time talking about an alliance with the left and the importance of it going forward, which is EXACTLY what you say you want to see.

I do not support Chuck Baldwin. I do not support the Constitution Party. I disagree with Ron's decision, but I understand why he did it. I would say that half of Paul's supporters will be voting for Bob Barr, and 80% of them are libertarians who will not have long-term association with the Constitution Party. If, say, Mary Ruwart was the nominee of the LP, I'm sure Paul supporters would have lined up FIRMLY behind her. (And Paul probably would have endorsed her, as they have been friends for a long time and she actively supported his campaign.)

I'll be voting for Bob Barr in November, but this is because if he hits 2% in North Carolina, then the Libertarian Party is on the ballot automatically in 2010 and 2012 and will not have to spend $250k to conduct a petition drive and mount legal challenges just to get on the ballot.

Furthermore, let me ask you this question, Lane:

Do you think it might be possible that Dr. Paul doesn't fully trust Bob Barr? After all, he was in Congress for all but one term of Barr's days there in which he was a drug warrior, Wicca-fighter, and supporter of protectionism, the War in Iraq, and the Patriot Act.

Might I also add that, once again, if you want to build a working coalition to enact change in a positive libertarian direction, you should seek to do so with all libertarians. The impression I'm getting for you is that you don't want to have anything to do with libertarians of a Party other than the Democratic Party or libertarians who may disagree with you on a couple of issues. I actually take a great deal of personal offense at this and question whether or not cooperation with someone like you is even possible.

In politics, perception is reality

#6792 On Sat, 2008 09 27 22:05 W Lane Startin said,

And the reality is Ron Paul aligned himself with the theocons, period. He can try to spin that all he wants, but it just makes him look that much more unprincipled and spineless.

I couldn't care less what he thinks about Barr. Barr is a nonissue, and Paul is right behind him.

He really should have left well enough alone.

Libertarianism by definition is a philosophy centered on the individual. Because of that, I don't believe it's possible - or for that matter desirable - for all libertarians to unite under a single leader. Ron Paul is not the libertarian messiah, not even close.

That said, libertarian Democrats should be interested primarily in building coalitions with other Democrats. That's kind of the point around here, isn't it? I'm much more interested in bridging Daily Kos to Reason, not the other way around. Simply put, we can't do that if we're saddled with the ongoing trainwreck that is Ron Paul.

Libertarian Republicans would do well to do something similar in their party. Could they do that with Ron Paul? I don't know; you'd have to ask one. My gut instinct tells me they couldn't at this point, though.

As for the Libertarian Party, I have no idea what they should be doing, other than they should be doing something different than what they are now.

Wow! What a great strategy!

#6824 On Sat, 2008 10 11 00:00 Paige_Michael-S... said,

Fight other libertarians in other parties, rather than support libertarians in other parties to get more libertarians in office to work with!

What ridiculous thinking...