Looking Ahead . . .

Submitted by FreedomDemocrats on Mon, 2008-09-29 11:14.

Some thoughts on the poll above . . .

First, some assumptions.

Senator John McCain will be defeated by Senator Barack Obama by both a solid electoral and popular vote margin, although not the blowout I once expected. Barack Obama will have the psychological boost of being the first Democratic candidate since LBJ to win over 50% of the popular vote.

Governor Sarah Palin, who for a while was managing to exceed expectations and present herself as a reasonable nominee for VP and a tentatively reasonable Presidential candidate down the road, will be considered a disaster.

Democrats will make major gains in the House and Senate, although I am open to the possibility of a few Republicans hanging on (Hence why I included Senator Norm Coleman). But overall there's little to no chance for the Republican Party to look at 2008 and see a silver lining. Except for maybe that they will still have some members in Congress. That's not silver, that's bronze.

Now look back at the relatively uninspiring list of characters from the 2008 Republican primary fight. Republicans have been out of luck for two straight cycles now, it's hard to find a strong candidate from their bench right now. Consider . . .

The Governors

The list, as I see it, is narrowed to Governor Rick Perry of Texas, Governor Charlie Crist of Florida, Governor Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota, and Governor Mark Sanford of South Carolina, out of the current bench. I'm throwing in former Governors Mitt Romney of Massachusetts, Mike Huckabee of Arkansas, and even Jeb Bush of Florida just to illustrate the weakness of the GOP bench. Jindal is a joke, and Crist has too many questions about his personal life, but their names will probably be floated. Jeb Bush has too many negative associations with his name. For now, Mike Huckabee seems more interested in his TV show on Faux than on running for President. The realistic list is Romney, Perry, Pawlenty, and Sanford. I tried to think back on former Governors who might pop up again, like Gilmore and Tommy Thompson from 2008, but no one jumps out.

The Senators

Here, another weak bench. Democratic pickups have really pushed the Republican Party into a corner in the chamber. Even the Republican Senators that hang on are either too old or too conservative to mount a real chance at the nomination. I could probably be convinced that there are a few more possible candidates, like a Kyl or an Ensign, but neither one has expressed an interest in running. This list begins and ends with Senator John Thune of South Dakota.

Others

Could we see someone unexpected storm to the nomination? Perhaps, but the very fact of them being unexpected makes it difficult to predict. For now, this category is empty.

As it stands, Romney has the highest name ID of the list and could very easily position himself as a front-runner. But the same problems he had in 2008 will haunt him in 2012. This vulnerability will encourage other possible candidates, most likely Thune, Sanford, and Pawlenty, to make a go at it. The advantage is still to Romney because of the name ID and the historical trend of Republican presidential primaries to go to people who ran previously or have some type of historical link (Bush family).

Idle speculation on a Monday.

The GOP always goes with who's "due"

#6799 On Mon, 2008 09 29 12:54 W Lane Startin said,

Even this year, when they had all the opportunity in the world to go a different direction, they went with the next-in-line guy, McCain.

That said Romney is the odds-on favorite, and he could prove to be one hell of a wedge between evangelicals and the LDS vote. Idaho would be ground zero if such a split were to occur.

I voted for Jindal...

#6801 On Mon, 2008 09 29 23:03 Nathaniel said,

I think the Republicans might be hesitant to nominate another old white guy to run against Obama in 2012. Jindal, by that time, could potentially be in his second term as governor of Louisiana. Republicans might be drawn to an experienced executive (and one who can form sentences unlike Sarah Palin) and someone who would undoubtedly tout some empty "reformist" credentials in this age of corrupt Republicans.

I also think there is some potential for a conservative House member to launch a quixotic campaign to try to be the next Ron Paul of presidential politics. Mike Pence? John Shadegg? Jeff Flake?

I think the Party will be completely disorganized in 4 years.

#6802 On Wed, 2008 10 01 12:50 Paige_Michael-S... said,

If Obama wins by as much as I think he will, we're going to see a collapse of the GOP neocon leadership, and an all-out civil war emerge. I'm hesitant to predict who may emerge from it on top.

Hell, RP might be able to make a run for it in four years. Sure, he'll be very old, but I'd argue he'll be in better shape than McCain is this time around, as he regularly exercises and is in good health. He's also starting to come off smelling like roses in light of this financial situation, and it just so happens that now he's getting more media coverage than he ever did during the Primaries.

Libertarian Republicans

#6803 On Wed, 2008 10 01 13:19 W Lane Startin said,

Would be much better off hitching their wagon to someone like Jeff Flake. Paul is not only old (77 in 2012), his political capital is pretty much gone.

Libertarian Democrats would do well to coalesce around folks like Brian Schweitzer, Jim Webb, Bill Richardson and - yes - Markos Moulitsas. Kos has been impressive in debunking the "bailout" recently.

I bet Paul won't run again.

#6805 On Wed, 2008 10 01 23:56 Paige_Michael-S... said,

One of my good friends who was a staffer for the campaign said that Ron never really wanted to be President and wanted to get the word out.

I don't trust Flake one bit. He's pro-Iraq War, and he's voted for the Patriot Act. No one can credibly call themselves libertarian in my view for holding these positions, especially the last one.

Schweitzer is interesting. We'll see where his economic policy stances go.

Webb is way too pro-central planning for my taste.

Richardson is ok.

Kos opposes the bailout only because he hates rich people. His arguments do not come from a free market perspective.

Keep your eye out for B.J.

#6806 On Wed, 2008 10 01 23:57 Paige_Michael-S... said,

If we beat David Price this year, you're going to be hearing a lot about him.