Liberty ultimately is Exit, not Voice

Submitted by ka1igu1a on Sat, 2009-08-15 05:19.

Great debate ongoing between Kling and Wilkinson regarding Freedom as Exit vs Voice. This current debate is being stimulated by Paul Romer's "chartered cities" concept, heavily promoted by the likes of Patri Friedman.

Here's my take. Libertarian that I am, I still have to concede that the moral basis(self-ownership) of it suffers from the same problem that every other moral theory suffers from, namely the "Ought-Is" problem. And although we often talk about "left" and "right" libertarianism, in reality, the "American libertarian movement," at least, can be refined into another set of dual categories, namely Praxeology vs Non-rationalist Emergent Order. In terms of personalities, Mises/Rothbard vs Hayek/Adam Smith. Praxeology is the logical deduction of "Human Action" from an axiomatic basis. Libertarian praxeologists will typically debate amongst themselves over, say, the Kantian vs Aristotelian epistemological basis for such axioms.

Contrastly, the Hayekian wing is rooted in the nonrationalist, dialectical social evolution resulting from the by-product of human design and undesigned spontaneous order. Hayek more or less rejected praxeology, stating that is a "mere collection of empirically empty tautologies" and that it was unable to explain how agents obtain knowledge about the results of their historical actions. Hayekian social theory is seen as a refinement and inheritor of the Adam Smith/Scottish enlightenment tradition.

The thing to note is that you can be a "left-winger" or a "right winger" and come down on either side. If you don't think "left libertarians" can't have a spirited debate, I can reference some not too polite discussions I've had with some noted left libertarians over the issue of the "sex industry." Dialectics comes naturally in terms of Hayekian social theory, but I think such methods can be artificially added on top at times by praxeologists, resorting to what i called "dialectical drivel." My point was that the emergent order of such things like home studio web cams, and even "sexting," sociologically discredits that "pornography" is a by-product of male dominant patriarchal order. Frankly, there's a valid reason why "Prostitution" is often referred to as the worlds' oldest profession.

The downside of Hayekian social theory is that you cannot guarantee a "liberal social order." I certainly can make a social observation that aversion to slavery(being enslaved) seems to be a universal trait shared by all humans. Much more innate than aversion to progressive notions of "inequality." However, tribalism is certainly a universal competing trait. But tribalism can be overcome by trade and exchange, and other conflicting traits such as the desire to explore(extend one's boundaries). I have yet to see evidence that social orders can beat out of humans their universal aversion to slavery, no matter what social myths one tries to wrap around such as justification. But you cannot derive the moral "Ought" from a sociological "Is." The best that you can do is make reasonable empirical extrapolations. And that will have to do.

Of course, neither progressives nor libertarian praxeologists can overcome the "Ought-Is" problem either. Progressives often attack the strength of "libertarianism," that is, it's critique of the State. However, it's rock solid there. You can either resort to the Praxeological "Calculation Problem" or the Hayekian "Knowledge Problem" to critique central planning. The actual "weakness" of libertarianism is that it doesn't inform you what to replace the central state with. Misean praxeology, for example, sees a role for the State whereas Rothbardian praxeology sees no role for the State. That's an issue with the praxeological method. And, Hoppe, supposedly the most rigorous Rothbardian praxeologist, deduced a propertarian social system so absolute that a child could point out it's flaws. Libertarian Praxeology is simply incapable of deducing even what property rights would be in a so-called libertarian order.

If "social justice" is largely meaningless because no one can either define what is meant by "social justice" or demonstrate how the State achieves it, then the progressive-libertarian debate largely boils down to "social engineering" vs "social experimentation." The former refers to engineering social outcomes through existing institutions, and if necessary, using those institutions to shape a majoritarian consensus, which, in the end, is the only thing that "legitimizes" shared community values. The latter refers to a bottom-up social organic evolution of social institutions. And that's why libertarianism, in the end, likely requires a "frontier," because it is quite difficult to socially experiment with "hardened institutions." As a social evolution is not guaranteed to turn out 'liberal," or that all social institutions may harden over time without competition, the notion of "Exit" is critical to liberty, more so than voice.

Given that we humans live in a 30 billion light year universe with an endless supply of nuclear energy from Stars, and given human capacity to abstract cooperation and scientifically understand it's environment; given human aversion to enslavement and it's propensity to explore, what's the best bet in terms of which social theory will win out in the end? Communitarian tribalism or libertarian frontierism?

Exit & Voice

#7353 On Sat, 2009 08 15 09:35 FreedomDemocrats said,

The debate over liberty as exit or voice reminds me of a thought experiment I was going through last night. I was still focusing on two previous lectures by some Cato scholars I had recently attended and my general feeling that they were missing something in their quick overview of human history and American history in particular. I had challenged one for his claim that liberty and freedom were not part of the natural order of humanity, a grim Hobbesian view of the natural state. He pretty much said that we can't really figure anything out about cultures before writing and didn't even address my question about ethnographic research of more modern hunter-gatherer societies. The best he could do is argue that in those societies you don't have a surplus of goods worth fighting over.

In both, I felt that they were still preaching the classical libertarian view of the American Revolution. Which, if you get into discussions like this on exit versus voice and what liberty really means, seems very hollow. You can't throw out a narrative that focuses both "No Taxation Without Representation" and on the evil tyrannies of Great Britain. If your problem was representation, that is voice, you don't care if the new American republic is a limited government or not, you just care about representation and establishing a republic.

There was certainly a class of patriots in the American Revolution that focused more on representation and self-rule than limited government. Their problem with British mercantilism wasn't that it was mercantilism, but that it was British and attempted to manipulate the American colonies for the benefit of Great Britain. Once independent, these patriots had no problem supporting an American mercantilism that would benefit their own special interest groups.

Not to mention, "voice" is such a difficult idea to put into practice. Is liberty as voice helped or hindered by equal representation of the states? It is helped or hindered by a lack of term limits? What is the best way to translate my voice into liberty?

classical liberalism

#7359 On Sat, 2009 08 15 10:18 adam ricketson said,

Your discussion of representative vs. small government reminds me of why it is impossible for a modern person to be a "classical liberal" -- classical liberalism existed in radically different conditions than we do today. They lived in a monarchical society and supported constraints on the power of the king in favor of transferring power to the regular people. However, as you noted, they disagreed on the extent to which power should be transferred to the people as individuals (small gov't) or as a group (democratic gov't)...but such disputes were not all that important given the fact that they lived under a king.

aversion to being enslaved?

#7356 On Sat, 2009 08 15 09:50 adam ricketson said,

aversion to slavery seems to be a universal trait shared by all humans

I assume that you mean "aversion to being enslaved"  -- because enslaving (or more broadly, dominating) others seems almost instinctive.

yes...

#7357 On Sat, 2009 08 15 10:02 ka1igu1a said,

i will update my post...

endless fronteir

#7358 On Sat, 2009 08 15 10:10 adam ricketson said,

Given that we humans live in a 30 billion light year universe with an endless supply of nuclear energy

I've sometimes wondered what human society would be like if the Earth were flat and infinite (at least to the east and west). On the one hand, there would always be a frontier, but on the other hand, once a capitalist/technological society developed, transportation technologies would probably advance so quickly that any frontier settlement would be incorporated into the main society soon after it was established.

Basically, you could run, but the people pursuing you will inevitably be traveling faster than you. I can think of a couple of "outs" from that scenario. First, in such a world, there may be little incentive for the main society to keep advancing into the frontier. Second, transportation technologies may reach a physical limit. Third, in a three-dimensionally infinite universe (as opposed to the one-dimensionally infinite Earth that I imagined), a small group traveling in a straight line will move much quicker than the frontier of a society filling three-dimensional space.

But of course, this all depends on us getting off Earth, and then getting to another star system.

 

Is Environment Homogeneic?

#7363 On Sun, 2009 08 16 00:46 ka1igu1a said,

Looking at "the world" from a purely abstract physics point continuum is the wrong way to think about, IMHO. Biology is the better model, noting that environment is not really homogeneic when it comes to life. Point A is different from point B because there is a certain level of adaptation that must occur to typically survive in a local environment. invaders from point B can die at point A because of, say, lack of adaptation to the microbial environment(conversely, invaders from B can wipe out A if B brings microbes that A has not adapted to).

From a physics standpoint, I've mentioned the Anthropic Principle a few times. if evidence of conditions of life are ubiquitous in our local reference system, and we do not see any evidence of ET signaling, then a strong argument can be made for our likely extinction(Doomsday scenario) and that the ability to abstractly reason and cooperate is an evolutionary dead end.

is Emergent Order inherently libertarian?

#7360 On Sat, 2009 08 15 10:52 adam ricketson said,

Something to think about: is the "Emergent Order" view of society inherently libertarian? In an earlier comment, I described progressives as having a "unified" view of society while libertarians have a "fragmented" (or network) view of society. I suppose that both Misean praxeology and Hayekean emergent order can be viewed as fragmented/network views of society.

Anyway, the idea of emergent order (and related concepts) has been getting a lot of play in the scientific literature for about 10 years now (Science magazine just released an issue dedicated to modern, i.e. post 1990s, network theory). When I see these ideas applied to society, the authors seem to take a fairly libertarian view -- perhaps this is inevitable when the social model focuses on individuals and their interactions.

So it seems like advocacy for this science can form a sort of libertarian propaganda in itself. But can progressive (or even conservative) thought thrive in a society that thinks in terms of networks?

"Progressivism" as a coherent ideology seems to be amenable to emergent order. After all, they believe in progress...they just have to be willing to allow change to happen and accept that they can't control it or even predict it very well. From that perspective, all progressive policy proposals should be pragmatic attempts to deal with temporary conditions, rather than being fetishized goals stated as moral absolutes (i.e. "a right to state financed health care").

Emergent Order Networks Inherently Libertarian?

#7364 On Sun, 2009 08 16 05:26 ka1igu1a said,

Using Networks and Graph Theory as models, then it's fairly clear from theory that most networks tend to follow a power-law distribution, meaning that the number of links per node are not necessarily randomly distributed, but, indeed, some nodes will be highly linked. These are "hubs." The other typical characteristic of emergent order networks is that they are "small world," meaning most nodes can be reached from every other by a small number of hops. This is the "6 degrees of separation" idea.

Applying these facts to social theory, i would argue that for such a network to be "libertarian," you absolutely must have a strong social bargaining implementation of "a commons" that would serve to limit the ability of "privilege(through capture)" to dominate the creation of networks("the hubs"). Secondly, the role of "reputation markets" is likely vital to maintain it's integrity, preventing any small contagion of bad actors from unwinding it's cooperative value.

To me, it's fairly obvious how Network Theory invalidates a pure anarcho-capitalist social implementation. The possibility of increasing returns in capturing power-law distributive networks creates huge incentives for for fighting to gain strategic advantage. This is reformulating the Nozick critique. However, where Nozick goes wrong is failing to account for how such things as "a commons" can make a "market-based law" society quite evolutionary stable. Every libertarian and their brother knows about medieval Iceland. But iceland was not a pure anarcho-capitalist social order; it had a strong implementation of both "a commons" and mutual aid collective action.

Network Theory demonstrates that small world networks with decentralized hubs can be quite robust. So it does kill me when progressives/communitarians make claims that libertarianism is some Randian solipsism, devoid of a theory of "community." Actually, the opposite is true. Libertarianism has a scientific theory of community backed by empirical observation. Communitarianism is backed up by nothing more than falsifiable bullshit. Collectivization does not lead to community; it leads to tribalism.

The link between libertarianism and progressivism is Henry George. George's ideas mesh quite nicely with Network Theory. But there is a difference between Collective Action regarding the commons and Collectivism and Political Capitalism. Big difference.

In the end, emergent social orders, nevertheless, are not inherently "libertarian" because they rely to a large degree on some type of collective action. it's not that collective action itself is contrary to libertarianism; on the contrary, such is vital to it. But you can't really predict the nature of such action, to the extent it is designed/emerges to empower the many or privilege the few. Keep in mind I'm not referring to the uncoordinated hayekian price system, but a higher level of coordination typically referred to as "schelling coordination." The US constitution did not solve "schelling coordination problems" in a particularly satisfying way from a libertarian perspective, but the "open source software movement," as a counter-example, by and large has resolved these type of coordination problems in a manner that is satisfactory from a libertarian perspective.