Being a Left-Libertarian

Submitted by LoganFerree on Tue, 2005-12-20 21:27.

By way of Brad Spangler I stumbled onto psychopolitik's discussion of why libertarians are inherently left-wing. All of which was originally sparked by my own discussion of libertarianism at DailyKos! What goes around comes around . . .

. . . there really is no need for a “left” or “right” modifier for libertarianism, as left-libertarian would be redundent & right-libertarian would be contradictory. Libertarianism rejects the status quo & cheers its downfall, so at the LEAST it is center-left.

I actually disagree on how to apply the terms left and right with regards to the status quo. In an ideal world, I would apply conservative to anyone who upholds the status quo and radical to anyone who wants to bring down the status quo. These words contain an intuitive sense that one is defending the establishment and the other is opposing the establishment. But because the establishment can range from an absolute monarchy to a democratic republic, I am hesitant of actually applying any additional meaning to these two terms. As such, I disagree with psychopolitik's use of left and right even while I agree about their origins.

Think about the origin of the "left/right" terminology: the supporters of the aristocracy sat on the right side, while anyone who opposed the status quo sat on the Left. This included the first libertarians.

My definition of left and right is also based on the French Revolution. However I don't simply view the debate in terms of the status quo. I view it over the fundamental question of "Who Governs?" The right holds the view that governmental power should be held by the elite of society; government could range from an absolute monarchy, a tyranny, or an oligopoly. The left is fundamentally opposed to this vision and upholds a desire for greater representation in government. These two terms are relative. The nobles that worked to bring about the Magna Carta were the left-wingers of their time period when compared to the absolutism of the monarchy. Like the Constitution's ideal of a 'more perfect Union' the left is constantly searching for a 'more representative government.'

The contrast between radical-conservative and left-right can be seen in two episodes in history. The first is the tension between European radicals opposed to absolutism and the conservative supporters of the monarchies. The left was radical and the right was conservative. The second is the founding years of the United States. The right, represented by Alexander Hamilton and others, desired to bring about revolutionary change in the American colonies through the establishment of a new national aristocracy in close association with the newly centralized federal government. Thomas Jefferson was both a conservative and a left-winger in opposing these radical changes.

A libertarian may be either right-wing or left-wing in how they view the desirability of representative government. Hans-Hermann Hoppe is a well known opponent of democracy and professes an anarcho-capitalist creed. He does so by arguing that a libertarian government, a government that is limited in its intervention in society, is more likely to occur under an unrepresentative system like an absolute monarchy. This is a very utilitarian argument and resembles that of Milton Friedman that I pointed out criticisms of previously.

I am a member of the left in pushing for more representative government. I am a radical in opposition to the status quo of neo-conservatism, imperialism, and intolerance. Libertarian describes my preference for the degree of government intervention in society. Ideally, I would like to reclaim liberalism as the title for this ideology. Today's 'liberals' have slowly shifted toward 'progressive' as their preference, perhaps opening up a chance at reclaiming our old title. I think it's an exchange that would leave every happier.

a couple things

#778 On Wed, 2005 12 21 01:27 b-psycho (not verified) said,

-The Spangler link has broken code. Not to nitpick, just figured you might want to know.

-It's actually kinda funny as to how I came around to that realization. I've held libertarian views for years but thought it awkward how well I got along with left types despite that, since at the time it was assumed that "libertarian" = Neal Boortz or P.J. O'Rourke. I'd look at books & articles from people like that and constantly ask myself why their seemingly establishment-centric view looked absolutely nothing like my own despite us claiming the same philosophy.

Somewhere along the line I spotted Kevin Carson's site linked on Reason's groupblog & took a gander. From there it snowballed.

Re: Hoppe

#779 On Wed, 2005 12 21 01:45 b-psycho (not verified) said,

As for Hans-Herman Hoppe: I can see where he more than likely gets his anti-democracy arguement, in that strength-in-numbers as we popularly view it makes all-against-all politics a self-fulfilling prophecy. Despite that, the inherent assumption in arguing that freedom is most possible without representation at all -- that it is possible for a few to "know better" at all, let alone resist enriching themselves with that power -- just leads us back to square one anyway. I find it amusing how elequently some folks can say something that at face value makes no sense.

If the majority culture is willing to eat itself for power, then clearly the problem is the culture, no matter how difficult that is to face. A libertarian government is most likely to occur under a libertarian culture, a culture that actively seeks to plug perceived need for expansion of authority before some yahoo can step up & promise the moon.

Political Culture

#784 On Wed, 2005 12 21 12:39 LoganFerree said,

I'll agree that a libertarian culture is needed to sustain a libertarian government. I've been thinking of some time about the relationship between domestic political ideology, culture, and foreign policy. I've been fascinated with how the Nolan Chart has been compared to the foreign policies developed by Walter Russell Mead and the four British folkways identified by David Hackett Fischer.

I think it all has to do with how you go about justifying political principles: morality or reason? I think that when you focus on morality you have a tendency for the political spectrum to start in the left hand corner of the Nolan Chart, sink down to Populism and Authoritarianism, and back up to the right hand corner. The center is defined as those most supportive of big government. Libertarians, true liberals, are turned off by politics and tune out. With reason, I think the spectrum runs right up and down.